(Second and final part of my interview with Canadian Esther Friede where she opens
out a bit more and shares her personal side with us.)
Being an
Indian Hindu, it felt rather strange to be taught verses from the Bhagavad Gita
by a Westerner. It felt stranger, when I started realizing I am confiding in
that person details of my life that I have hardly shared with anyone. Even more
strangely, it started to feel good doing so and I would look forward to those
conversations which would give me some strange kind of a solace. That is
exactly how my relation with Esther Friede has blossomed over the past few
months; from being a story’s subject to slowly evolving into a friend cum
guide.
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Esther with the children of her Ashram |
There is
something oddly reassuring about Esther’s personality. Even though I haven’t
yet met her, I always feel comfortable with her positive outlook toward life,
her kindness, her patience, her simplicity and genuineness , all of it combined
makes her a wonderfully human person; unlike any I have met in my life. Her
stubbornness to not give up, to keep fighting and her belief in God despite all
odds really moved me and made me want to help her at all costs, as if I too was
in this fight with her, as if I am helping a family member.
All this
might make one feel that I am biased about my whole approach towards Esther’s
story as a journalist. But it really is the other way round. It is rather the
honesty in her tale that makes me want to keep fighting harder, that makes me
believe that there is something worth fighting for. And if in the end I do
mange to contribute even one percent in her victory, I would feel I have done
something good and worthwhile in my life after all.
So taking
over from my last post, I explore some different facets of Esther; her personal
side. Giving the land-mafia issue a pause, I try and delve on her human
elements. Here she opens up on her relationship with ‘God’, her fears, her
‘Indian-ness’ and gives a short message to the Indian society.
Excerpts from the interview:
Q.1. You latest blog post questions
India’s civility and Haridwar’s holiness. What exactly brought those feelings
on?
Ans: I just can`t believe what is
happening to India – the reason I came to India was for spiritual reasons – and
to see this kind of corruption, violence, lawlessness in a holy city, of all
places, I am just astounded! What I
don`t understand is that I have tried to get help from people – who have turned
their backs when they could really help us put a stop to it. The place is full
of big ashrams supported by a lot of wealth and influence. You would think others would stand by us and
demand justice and not want to have a holy place tainted by these kinds of
corrupt activities. When I first came to
India in the 60`s to study with my Guru, I remember he used to say that one day
India would overcome its difficulties, and become an advanced nation – both
spiritually and materially. Well, some
of it is coming true. On the one hand,
material wealth has increased – but so what?
The disparity in society is so much greater. In my view, real
development is about becoming more civilized, taking care of people, caring for
the less fortunate, uplifting the nation as a whole, having honest governance
that makes it possible for people to contribute to the welfare of society. I
believe that in the heart of most people there is a desire to do good and a
country where there is honest governance, lawful process, is able to benefit
from the talent, drive, ambition and hard work of its citizens. People in India
that I met before used to be kind, gentle, hospitable. I was never afraid to go anywhere by myself.
I literally felt like I was walking on holy ground when I went to the Ganges –
or was anywhere in its vicinity. Our
ashram was so peaceful. I still have a
hard time reconciling the India I loved with what is happening now.
Q.2. You had mentioned to me that you tied
a Rakhi to a friend of yours recently. You also seem to be quite inspired by
the sacred Hindu book the ‘Bhagavad Gita’ besides knowing and enjoying quite a
bit of Indian festivals and rituals. So despite all the negativities you have
faced here can I say that there still is some Indian residing in you somewhere?
Ans: That part of me will never go
away. My Bhagavad Gita is daily
food. Whatever I study, I always compare
it to the Bhagavad Gita. I have started
a blog – just got started recently – on the Gita. I think the Gita is a phenomenal work, far
deeper than it appears on the surface and the older I get, the more meaning it
has for me. Yes, I tied a rakhi on a
good friend of mine to protect him when that festival came around. Navratri is one of my favourite festivals
because of its worship of the Divine Feminine – which is very significant. Of all the countries in the world, the
honouring of the Divine Feminine has disappeared and can be found only in the
history of its ancient cultures, in archeological remains. India is one of the only ancient
civilizations with a continuous living history of this tradition.
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Esther(center) with some kids of her Ashram |
I sometimes
think I am more Indian than some Indians. So many things feel completely
natural for me, even though I was born to European parents who knew nothing
about India. It is my samskaras from past lives that bring this about and will
no doubt continue. When I first set foot on Indian soil, I felt like I had come
home. I feel at home in a sari; I eat Indian meals regularly with my hands,
Indian-style – a snack for me might be simple chapatis with Indian mango
pickle, onion and dahi.
After my first trip to India, I hand painted a
murti of Gayatri Ma which I still revere. I worship and meditate in Indian
ways. When I came to India when I was still young, I visited with Sri
Ananda Moyi Ma several times and have a habit of visiting Indian saints
–especially the women saints – so I got hugs from Amma many times, learned
about Sahaj yoga from Sri Nirmala Devi, sat at the feet of Mother Meera. I visited SatyaSai in Puttaparti, knelt at
the tomb of Sri Aurobindo and The Mother in Pondicherry, paid my respects at
the tomb of Gandhiji, paid homage at ShirdiSai’s tomb. Of course, ultimately, I
am devoted to my own Guru, Swami Devananandaji, but deep within me is the habit
of taking the dust from the feet of highly developed beings however they may be
embodied or even if they have left the body.
I have been
down the Ganges with my Guru from Rishikesh to Varanasi, through the south of
India with a friend, into Punjab, Rajasthan, Bengal. There is still so much to see – I don`t know
whether I will get to see it all in this lifetime – but it is as if I have an
Indian soul……It is strange – when I see an Indian person, inside I feel like I
am meeting a ``landsman`` - that is a German word for someone from your own
country. Of course, they wouldn`t know
it – because I don`t look Indian. It is
really an inner thing, which is hard to explain.
Q.3. Is there still anybody in India whom
you trust with your heart? Anyone whom you have faith or belief in or whom you
can call a friend?
Ans: I trust my Guru with my life. He is one in a million – I think God threw
away the mould after He created him. So
it is hard for anyone to live up to that standard in my books. And I am not just being starry-eyed and
naïve. I am in my 60`s, have
considerable life experience now and I can honestly reflect on my time with him
and still feel the same way. I became
very wary lately of people in India, don’t know whom to trust and have difficulty
now being open-hearted in India, which is my nature. I can’t understand the apathy of the many of
the people around us in India. Recently, though, a few people have come forward
to help who are showing a genuineness, courage and faithfulness that has really
moved me. If it weren`t for them, the ashram may already have fallen into the
hands of the mafia. These people are
restoring my faith – that there are still some really good people in India.
Q.4. What’s the update on the personal
front? What occupies your mind and time these days? How do you keep your mind
away from all negative emotions that are natural to seep in?
Ans: I see life as a journey of continual
learning, growth, development and service.
Each phase of life offers new lessons.
I am very active and engaged in life.
For 4 years I had been serving as the Spiritual and Religious
Coordinator (a chaplain) in three long-term care facilities, looking after the
spiritual needs of the elderly and dying as well as young disabled adults. I
was probably one of the first with Hindu spiritual training that made it
through the difficult process of qualification (that has for so long in Canada
been predominantly Christian) to become a chaplain and pastoral counselor. I
had to leave that role because it did not give me enough flexibility to come to
India and stay long enough to deal with the mafia issue.
Now, I have
my own private psychotherapy practice, where I do counselling for couples,
families and individuals, adolescents and children. I get a chance in my private practice to
serve people, help them find hope through difficult challenges and facilitate
finding solutions to their personal problems.
Life is not easy for anybody.
Nowadays especially, there is so much stress and anxiety, even amongst
children.
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Esther Friede |
More
recently, I have been studying cybercounselling which will enable me to offer
my counseling services online to adults anywhere in the world. I am very excited about that. That would give
me the most flexibility – because I could be anywhere in the world too as long
as I have a computer and an internet connection. I would like to write, turn my attention to
that more fully.
I am a
visual artist and have done a lot of art work – drawing and painting, and some
work with fibre. I have some training in
the style of Renaissance Masters, and I have had some lessons in Chinese brush
work. But my natural spontaneous work is
modern, a lot is abstract in oils and acrylics.
I also used my creativity to explore the inner psychological and
spiritual life and have notebooks filled with symbolic drawings of the Divine
Feminine. I haven`t had much time for my
art work lately. I used to have visions
of spending my later years at the ashram in service, working with children, in
spiritual reflection, meditation and being creative as a writer and
artist.
Needless to
say, that vision has been rudely altered by these recent developments with the
land mafia. Now, all I can think of when
I think about the ashram is what next steps to take to defeat the mafia…..when
I go there – I am constantly seeing lawyers and going to court, writing letters
to try to drum up support……I still live my spiritual life, meditation and
worship. I am struggling to make this battle part of the path. I think of Arjuna in the Gita. I sometimes
talk to God ``Bhagwan, if this is what you want me to spend my energy on –
OK….I don’t agree with You – but if that is your will. `` That is how I deal with the negative
emotions. I may feel them, try to
process them and then put them into context of what my spiritual life is all
about – discover and live the spiritual meaning behind the challenges facing
me.
Q.5. At present what do you care for the
most? What scares you?
Ans: I would have to say that it is my
spirituality that means the most to me – in a different way than before. While
it has been the underlying theme of my life, as I age, of course, I have had to
come to terms with my mortality in ways that I did not think of in my younger
years and most recently, life also has brought me to spiritually companion
those who are dying. I think about the
four ashramas as taught by the Hindus – the four stages of life – Brahmcharya,
Grihastha, Vanaprastha and Sanyasa……so I consider myself to be in the
Vanaprastha stage in life…going towards Sanyasa – though I have been a sanyasin
for most of my life, I still have always been active in the world, studying,
learning and serving. In the west, the
ideal form of aging is to keep busy as long as possible. In the Hindu way of life, the ideal is to
turn to God, to become reflective, contemplative. What scares me the most is
the thought of near the end, losing sight of God, my soul, my purpose for which
I came to this earth, of my consciousness being distracted from its main purpose.
You can check out the blog I started at http://lifetransitionslifecompletion.blogspot.ca/ which is all about completing
one’s life. Of all the blogs I started,
this one gets the most hits.
Q.6. Endless issues hog the media space in
India every day, yet important and serious issues like yours hardly find any
light. Do you feel left out? Do you feel that some mileage from the media would
help your cause? Your views on the Indian media as a whole in present times.
Ans: I am a little baffled why I have not
been able to attract the interest of the mainstream press. I would have thought that if the media took
up the story of attempted theft and corruption, that the exposure would
discourage the criminals. I was hoping that media coverage would highlight our
cause and reach people who are interested in overcoming corruption in India –
that people would come to our defense, support us – and perhaps with greater
numbers, this fight could be won sooner.
Maybe the secular world of media doesn’t care about ashrams and
religious folks – and think this isn’t mainstream enough to sell papers……
My feelings
about the media are not only about the Indian media- I feel the same about the
media in the rest of the world. I don`t
like the sensationalism and preoccupation with bad news, trivial things,
celebrities. I would rather read blogs
like Daily Good – which reports good news or specialized magazines or blogs of
my choice that are focused on issues of interest and are well written.
I see the
value of media in a democracy as a way of making issues transparent and
providing interesting, educational and insightful commentary on matters that
concern society and of taking up good causes. It could play a more enriching
role in the culture of any country if it was truly civic minded. But
sensationalism and trivia sells – just like junk food – which may not be good
for you. I am realistic enough to know that media needs to be commercially
viable but sometimes I think it could raise its standards and still be
commercially viable. The media has so much power over people’s minds that if it
was used in the right way, it could play such a significant uplifting role in
the whole culture.
Q.7. Do you wish to give any message to
the people of India or to anyone else in particular?
Ans: Sounds a little grandiose to be
giving a message to the Indian people – but now that you have asked, yes I do:
Rise up! Become your best and highest self! The power in each person is greater
than anyone can imagine for God lives in the heart of each living being! Live
boldly, imaginatively, creatively, devotedly with an open heart!
Now that I
have had a taste of the corruption in India in the worst way, I would also like
to say that when corruption takes a hold in a country it is because people are
complicit – perhaps not in an overt way – but through apathy, indifference and
acceptance of it. I understand that life is tough and that everyone is trying
to take care of themselves and their families but sometimes, we just have to
take a stand for the betterment of all and say enough!
Many Indians
have given up on India and go abroad where they find a lot of opportunity for
their talents, ambitions and aspirations for their families. Indians are probably one of the largest
diaspora communities in the world. What
I would say to them is - don’t forget your roots and share some of
your success with the people of India itself.
Give back to your home country – not just in time and money – but in
bringing some of the values you have found elsewhere that inspire and motivate
people to create a flourishing society.
Put pressure on the country to wipe out corruption, to put in place
honest governance, social reform.
I ran away
from the materialism of the west to seek simplicity and spirituality in India
and was welcomed with open arms then.
Something has gone seriously wrong in India in its headlong rush to
catch up materially with the west and it is the west that now is hosting more
and more spirituality. I can’t begin to tell you how many new temples, centres,
mosques have been built not only by Indian people, but by people from all over
the world who bring their spiritual heritage with them. Throughout the west,
ashrams, meditation centres, communities are being established – the west is
welcoming this. Even large hospital systems in my city are teaching meditation
practices to people suffering from pain, anxiety and stress.
Concluded
(To read the first part of my interview with Esther, click here.)